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Re: Enquête GP de Singapour 2008 - Renault convoqué le 21 sept.

Messagede HAD RF1 » Mar 15 Sep 2009 16:43

Drool1 a écrit:Sinon parait que Renault a proposé un accord avec le depart de Flavio a la FIA

Bref, vivement la fin de toute cette affaire...


Je trouverai ça nul de virer Flavio s'il n'y a que des affabulations de Piquet...
En tout cas à la lecture des convers radio, rien ne semble prémédité.

Sinon, Bruno Michel est un associé de Flavio dans la société de management de pilote FFBB.
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Re: Enquête GP de Singapour 2008 - Renault convoqué le 21 sept.

Messagede buster » Mar 15 Sep 2009 16:48

buster a écrit:Le constructeur automobile Renault aurait à présent pris l'affaire en main dans le scandale de Singapour et aurait proposé à la FIA de remplacer son team principal Flavio Briatore. Donc oui Renault a pris la mesure des sanctions pouvant être prises a son encontre. Cela prouve une fois de plus, si besoin était, que les dirigeants de l'ecurie sont bien coupables ! Bruno Michel proche de Todt, père et fils, serait presentit pour remplacer Briatore.

Pour info Todt est clairement soutenu par Mosley qui veut avoir la peau de Briatore, et il l'aura ! Avec ou sans l'aide de Renault...
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Re: Enquête GP de Singapour 2008 - Renault convoqué le 21 sept.

Messagede Le Toulonnais » Mar 15 Sep 2009 18:10

On sait tous que Ecclestone et Briatore sont très amis. Vu la place importante qu'occupe Ecclestone dans la gérance de la Formule 1, celui-ci pourrait pas parler en faveur de Renault auprès de ses amis haut placés de la FIA ?

Bien sûr tout ceci se ferait discrètement sans que la presse le sache. D'ailleurs dans le monde politique ça marche comme ça (pourquoi Chirac n'est toujours pas jugé ou condamné au minimum à la prison avec sursis ?). Attention si je dit ça c'est pour dire que Renault est coupable mais que comme Mosley est contre nous, le procès risque d'être un peu faussé, donc un peu d'allié important serait pas de refus.


Tout le monde sait qu'en F1 il est inutile de perdre son temps à aller se plaindre à la FIA pour qu'elle sanctionne Ferrari pour tricherie ou infraction au règlement technique mais qu'en retour on peut compter sur elle pour chercher des poux aux autres :

2007 : Stepney-gate (Ferrari est en difficulté face à McLaren et la FIA rend McLaren coupable d'avoir accepter le cadeau d'un ingénieurs de Ferrari)
2007 : Aileron + fond plat (tout le monde sait que l'aileron de Ferrari est mobile mais ce n'est pas l'avis de la FIA)
2006 : Alonso (Alonso est pénalisé sur la grille de départ pour avoir gêné un pilote Ferrari lors des qualification. Rappelons que Ferrari joue le titre avec Renault. Alonso qui ne se sent pas coupable et qui a les replay vidéo en sa faveur juge que la F1 n'est plus un sport)
2006 : Michelin (Michelin domine encore la saison, la FIA veut donc introduire un manufacturier unique pour 2007. Bridgestone sera ce fournisseur et Renault est endifficulté, normal puisque seul Ferrari a l'expérience Bridgestone. McLaren aura l'avantage d'avoir les plans de Ferrari sous la main pour comprendre à résoudre le problème d'exploitation des pneus)
2006 : Roue lenticulaires (Après l'affaire mass dumper, la FIA déclare que l'astuce de Ferrari n'est pas concernée par la réglementation sur les éléments aérodynamiques au grand étonnement des constructeurs F1)
2006 : Mass dumper (la trouvaille de Renault devient soudainement illégale au moment ou Ferrari joue le titre avec Renault)
2005 : Pneu michelin (les pneus Michelin sont meilleurs que les pneus Bridgestone de Ferrari donc la FIA décide de réintroduire les changements de pneumatiques durant les courses en 2006. Michelin juge ses décisions incohérentes avec la politique affichée par la FIA de réduction des coûts)
2004 : Le système automatique de départ (Le système de départ de Renault est le plus efficace du plateau et le constructeur monte en force et termine 3ème au championnat des constructeur, peut-être 2ème car on ignore si les Honda possédaient déjà un double réservoir. La FIA décide d'interdire cette aide au pilotage pour 2005)
2004 : Berylium (Ferrari ne sait pas l'exploiter et demande son interdiction. McLaren-Mercedes perd en performance en course)
2003 : Aileron et empattements (Le plateau juge ces élément de Ferrari hors normes mais la FIA ne souhaite pas les réprimander)
1998 : Système d'aide au freinage (Ferrari joue le titre avec une équipe McLaren performante. Après les contestation de Ferrari, la FIA interdit le système de freinage assisté car il apporterait un avantage conséquent à McLaren)

Ces exemples sont faits de mémoire. Si j'ai zappé quelque chose vous pouvez compléter la liste.

Vous ne trouvez pas bizarre que ce sont toujours les même qui trichent :?: Je sais on va me répondre que la Formule 1 est un sport où les interêts politiques sont souvent plus grands que les intérêts sportifs...
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Re: Enquête GP de Singapour 2008 - Renault convoqué le 21 sept.

Messagede Aceveda » Mer 16 Sep 2009 20:46

Alonso innocenté par la FIA :

“As regards Mr Alonso and the other engineers, the Stewards have found no evidence to suggest that they knew anything about the plans to cause a deliberate crash on lap 14. Renault’s strategy was aggressive and somewhat unusual but the Stewards do not conclude that individuals at Renault other than NPJ (Piquet), Mr Symonds and possibly Mr Briatore were aware of any crash plan. This position appears to be supported by the documentairy and radio communications evidence provided by Renault.”

Nouveau transcript :

Engineer: “Still don’t have, I don’t have any laps or gaps in position, nothing.

[Pause]

Engineer: “Fuel for Fernando is 43, four three.”

Engineer: What’s that [Engineer]?

[Pause]

Engineer: “I didn’t say anything [Engineer].”

Engineer: “43, four three, for Fernando?”

Engineer: “Okay sorry, 43 for Fernando.”

Engineer: “[Engineer] you restarted it yet or not?”

Engineer: “Yeah, starting takes ages.”

Engineer: “Nakajima was being told that Trulli was heavy so he needs to overtake him as well.”

Pat Symonds: “While we’re behind Nakajima we’re f***ed, we’re not going anywhere.”

Engineer: “I agree.”

Pat Symonds: “I’m also…”

Engineer: “It’s f***ing our three stop isn’t it completely.”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah absolutely. I’m also concerned about that that fuel current thing, um as soon as we get laps coming in I’m gonna look for gaps.”

Engineer: “All right mate.”

Engineer: “I agree. Stupid [inaudible].”

Flavio Briatore: “The problem is Trulli.”

Engineer: “Yeah, it’s Trulli. I mean he’s three seconds slower than Heidfeld.”

Pat Symonds: “Yep.”

Flavio Briatore: “I don’t understand why Rosberg not try hard.”

Engineer: “Yep.”

Pat Symonds: “I can tell you now we’re not three-stopping.”

Engineer: “Okay , [Engineer] get ready for a change.”

Engineer: “Yep.”

Engineer: “I’m still waiting [Engineer].”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Engineer: “Did you check you don’t have a fuss with the time zone or, or the date or something stupid like that?”

Engineer: “No it, it was fine as it was.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Engineer: “That was an awful second sector for us anyway.”

Engineer: “At this space for Fernando we are lap 15 so far and maybe we get to 16. We’ll see how it develops.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Pat Symonds: [Engineer], don’t worry about fuel because I’m going to get him out of this traffic earlier than that.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Pat Symonds? “Any question of how much [inaudible].”

Engineer: “Everything looks okay with the fuel system at the moment.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Flavio Briatore: “A yellow flag went up.”

Engineer” “Looks like something on the circuit [inaudible] looks like someone’s knee support.

Engineer: “Yes, there’s a yellow flag – where is it?”

Engineer: “Between nine and ten.”

Engineer: “Between nine and ten.”

Engineer: “A yellow flag nine ten.”

Engineer: “There’s a bit of debris in the middle of the circuit there.”

Engineer: “Maybe debris on the circuit. Yellow flag between nine and ten and we think there’s debris on the circuit.”

Pat Symonds: “That’s not gonna be a safety car.

Fernando Alonso: “Okay, okay.”

Engineer: “Okay, Nelson completed 5 laps. The estimate is 28.7 mixer five 29.5 on mixer three and the fuel load is 38 kilos, three eight.”

Engineer: “Okay 38 three eight for Nelson.”

Pat Symonds: “Keep him on five.”

Engineer: “Okay, break temps at the moment.”

Flavio Briatore: “[Inaudible] Fernando will be going nowhere?”

Pat Symonds: “Absolutely. Um we’ve got a little strategy programme problem but as soon as I’ve got it back I’m gonna be looking for a gap to put him in.”

[Pause]

Engineer: “And fuel [inaudible] on next straight.”

Engineer: “Thank you very much.”

[Pause]

Engineer: “Someone [inaudible].”

Engineer: “It’s started but there’s no film feed yet.”

Engineer: “Still yellow nine and ten.”

Engineer: “How about that [Engineer], try that, anything? [Engineer] [Inaudible]“

Engineer: “Yes ten.”

Pat Symonds: “I’m not gonna get anything through [Engineer].

Engineer: “Try disconnect reconnect Pat.”

Pat Symonds: “Okay.”

[Pause]

Engineer: “Fail sensor ten and still yellow.”

Engineer: “Rosberg plus Trulli.”

Engineer: “Okay I’ve got film activity.”

Pat Symonds: “That just makes it worse for us… [inaudible] leaded lap.”

Flavio Briatore: “Let’s see the Japanese now yutaw taw.”

Engineer: “Pumps okay.”

[Pause]

Pat Symonds: “I think Rosberg will be quite light because he’s on options but this is still bad news for us. We’ve, we’ve gotta think out of the box now.”

Engineer: “Okay, [Engineer] it says lapdate has been reset for unknown session so it looks like… it doesn’t recognise this as a as a race if you like.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Flavio Briatore: “Fernando need to overtake somebody there because that is not…”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah.”

Flavio Briatore: “That Trulli’s very slow eh?”

Engineer: “Okay, I’ll tell him.”

Engineer: “Clear track, clear track.”

Engineer: “Track clear, track clear.”

Engineer: “Just got alarm for charging system failed.

Engineer: “Track is clear, track is clear and come on Nelson you need to overtake Barrichello.”

Engineer: “What’s failed [Engineer]?”

Engineer: “Charging system failed. Um, triggers if the supply current is below 15 amps.”

Engineer: “Got an alternator problem.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Pat Symonds: “I need as much information as I can get on that as quickly as possible please.”

Engineer: “[Engineer] is that a false alarm?”

Pat Symonds: “And it’s Fernando’s car we’re talking about?”

Engineer: “Yes.”

Engineer: “[Engineer] is looking after that.”

Pat Symonds: “Okay, I need an answer in the next err three laps thanks a lot.”

Engineer: “From here we can’t see this this alarm so…”

Engineer: “Okay, maybe its just my telemetry.”

Engineer: “I’ve got it on mine.”

Flavio Briatore: “[Inaudible]…Nakajima.”

Pat Symonds: “Nakajima yeah.”

Flavio Briatore: “Yeah, come on.”

Engineer: “Are we passed Nakajima?”

Engineer: “Yeah”

Engineer: “Or is it just Nakajima’s got passed Trulli?”

Nelson Piquet Jnr: “What lap are we in, what lap are we in?

Engineer: “Nakajima’s got past Trulli.”

Engineer: “It’s not a false alarm but we’re looking for the data to see proper value of all the [inaudible] but so far we don’t see anything.”

Engineer: “He just asked what lap are we in.”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah, tell him that he’s about to complete lap 8. Is that correct?”

Engineer: “That’s correct yeah. I think he was asking what lap are we in though but, which he already knows.”

Pat Symonds: “No just tell him, he is about, he’s just completing, he is about to complete lap 8.”

Engineer: “Understood.”

Engineer: “Someone hearing any news – anything?”

Engineer: “I’m just changing something now, hang on.”

Flavio Briatore: “[inaudible] came though yeah?”

Engineer: “You’ve just completed lap 8, you’ve just completed lap 8.”

Nelson Piquet Jnr: “I can’t see Gabria, I can’t see Gabria.”

Engineer: “Okay, want to tell him this straight yes?”

Pat Symonds: “Just say understood – say understood. He can’t see the pit board.”

Engineer: “Okay – understood.”

Pat Symonds: “Don’t worry [Engineer].”

Engineer: “Okay, I think we’ve got him.”

Engineer: “Understood.”

Pat Symonds: “Gabriel – can you hear?”

Engineer: “He just said ‘yes’.”

Pat Symonds: “Okay. Just try and get that pit board a bit further out, wave it or do something like that.

Engineer: “Okay, we cannot see anything wrong on the alternator for Fernando’s car; the issue the only point we can see is he’s been low on the rev at some points or maybe we could have triggered something very lightly but, that’s all.

Pat Symonds: “Okay. Understood.”

Engineer: “No worries.”

Pat Symonds: “Right, what have we got; f***ing hell we’ve got seven seconds to Nakajima.”

Engineer: “I’m just restarting the servers again [Engineer].”

Engineer: “Okay, trying to restart client.”

Nelson Piquet Jnr: “It’s better to count through the laps because I cannot see Gabria.”

Engineer: “It’s better Gabriel on the last lap I guess we should leave him.”

Pat Symonds: “And then see how quickly we can catch up on Nakajima. Nakajima’s doing 50.3.”

Engineer: “No, he’s going to be much quicker this lap.”

Engineer: “1.3 up at the moment.”

Engineer: “And these tyres are s***.”

Pat Symonds: “We need to… I need a bit of help here cos we haven’t got any strategy system.”

Engineer: “I just think, I can’t believe we can’t lap at Nakajima’s pace; I’m just worried these tyres are useless and we should get on the other ones.

Pat Symonds: “Yeah, exactly…”

Engineer: “We 9/10ths up at the moment.”

Flavio Briatore: “Just wait one second guys.”

Engineer: “We’ve got a much better first sector to come on here.”

Flavio Briatore: “Maybe, you know, maybe we need to quicken up now.”

Engineer: “Yeah, we gone quicker now than Nakajima.”

Pat Symonds: [Engineer], we’re gonna go two.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Pat Symonds: “Um, what was our target without this now?”

Engineer: “Um, 40 was the sort of optimum, and then 40 up to 46 if he wanted to cover…”

Pat Symonds: “I think we’ll stay at around the 40 mark.”

Engineer: “Predicted what 47.6 for this lap.”

Pat Symonds: 47 – 6.”

Engineer: “Yeah.”

Pat Symonds: “So point 8, point 8 quicker than Nakajima’s last one yeah?”

Engineer: “47 – 1 predicted now. We’re two seconds up at the moment on that lap.”

Engineer: “We’ve gone below one and a half seconds quicker than him.”

Pat Symonds: One and a half… so we’re going to catch him in about three laps. Yeah?”

Engineer: “Yep.”

Pat Symonds: “Right, I’m going to – I think we’re going to stop him just before we catch him and get him out of it, the reason being we’ve still got this worry on the on the fuel pump, it’s only a couple of laps short, we’re going to be stopping him early and we’re going to go to lap 40.

Engineer: “Yeah I think so.”

Pat Symonds: “4 – 0. Lap 40.”

Engineer: “How’s the balance, Fernando how’s the balance?”

Pat Symonds: “Um, acknowledge please Freddie.”

Fernando Alonso: “Very poor grip.”

Engineer: “Can you repeat that please?”

Engineer: “Okay let’s stay as we are, it will be tyres yeah?”

Pat Symonds: “That confirms it.”

Flavio Briatore: “‘Cause no way we’re overtaking Nakajima with these tyre.”

Pat Symonds: “Exactly, exactly and I don’t want to waste one second behind him.”

Engineer: “What lap you’re claiming Pat?”

Pat Symonds: “Um lap… we’re coming in in a couple of laps something like that and then I want you to get to lap 40 please – four zero.

Engineer: “Okay lap 40… which fuel system-wise I think we can… we can go easily to lap 12 without any problem.”

Pat Symonds: “Okay, I think I’m going to stop him the end of 12, that looks like it’s all going to work out.”

Fernando Alonso: “Maybe over steering.”

Engineer: “I’m quite aggressive on rear pressures Pat so…”

Engineer: “Alright don’t do anything it’s gonna be a different story on the other tyre I would imagine.”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah exactly.”

Engineer: “Scupper our rear isn’t it so.”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah that wasn’t a great centre. Right, we’re gonna stop at the end of lap 12 guys; we’re going to lap 40.”

Engineer: “63 kilogrammes for Fernando – 6 – 3. Okay?”

Engineer: “Okay, 63 it is.”

Engineer: “Okay so pit stop light is… sorry that was too early.”

Engineer: “Lights on now.”

Engineer: “Okay light is on.”

Pat Symonds” “Yeah with a good lap we’re going to be within a second and a half of him which is right.”

Engineer: “Pat do you still not think that this is a bit early? We only did 6/10ths that lap.”

Pat Symonds: “No, no it’s going to be alright.”

Engineer: “Okay, okay. Understood.”

Flavio Briatore: “[inaudible]… behind Nakajima now.”

Pat Symonds: “I’m having to hand calculate because we haven’t got.”

Engineer: “Okay. Just we were 3.1 that last lap.”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah, I mean we might be able to get one more lap but I’m not gonna risk missing anything.”

Engineer: “Okay Pat, understood understood.”

Engineer: “[Engineer] so its multi-map 2 and the clutch trim stays where it is in 7.”

Engineer: “Okay mate… [Inaudible]… just to confirm R2, R2.”

Engineer: “[inaudible]“

Engineer: “Yes [Engineer] yep that’s right.”

Engineer: “[inaudible]…front and rear.”

Engineer: “We’ve got very very low brake [inaudible].”

Engineer: “Yes we’re calling the guys in.”

Engineer: “And in now Fernando in now pit confirm. 40 seconds Fernando.”

Fernando Alonso: “Okay in now.”

[Pause].

Flavio Briatore: “Anyway we had nothing to lose.”

Pat Symonds: “Exactly.”

Engineer: “62 [Engineer], 6 – 2.”

Engineer: “20 seconds Fernando. Multi-map 2, multi-map 2. Guys he’s gonna be target plus 8 isn’t he if we go into lap 40, 32 was the original one.”

Engineer: “Yep.”

Engineer: “You okay for me to tell him that Pat?”

Pat Symonds: “Yep.”

Engineer: “Fernando you are target plus 8 target plus 8, remember the white line.”

Engineer: “7.5 Alonso.”

Engineer: “He’ll know from that we changed the two stops won’t he we don’t need to explain that to him?”

Engineer: “Yep”

Pat Symonds: Look, [Engineer].”

Engineer: “61.5 kilos, 61.5.”

Engineer: “Okay 61.5.”

Engineer: “Driving sector 3.”

Pat Symonds: [Engineer]I want you to concentrate on getting this f***ing strategy system working. Um, [Engineer] if you can start working out next stops on the times we’re getting, we’ll just have to do it manually.

Engineer: “Okay.”

Engineer: “I’m working on it [Engineer].”

[Pause].

Pat Symonds: “Right, now let’s concentrate on Nelson.”

Engineer: “Pitstop lights gents.”

Engineer: “[Engineer] break taps before we stop, 6-10 front and rear. Predicting 27 mill, end of race.”

Engineer: “Okay, okay, so unless something changes, I’m happy.”

Engineer: “[Engineer] can you give me some feedback from the pitstop. because we’ve got a massive hole in the telemetry just over at, I couldn’t see anything.”

Engineer: “Sorry mate I didn’t see anything.”

Engineer: “He just sat behind Barrichello ain’t he and he’s got massive straight line speed give him a little hurry up [Engineer] tell him he’s got a load of straight line and advantage on him.”

Pat Symonds: “Just hang on…”

Flavio Briatore: “Tell him to push.”

Pat Symonds: “Let me just look at the end of this lap please. Just one minute [Engineer] please I just want to see where he is.”

Engineer: “Understood Pat.”

Engineer: “Bourdais’ spun, so he’s made a place up there.”

[Pause].

Engineer: “[inaudible] go to R2.”

Engineer: “Okay [Engineer]“

Pat Symonds: “Okay right [Engineer], you’ve gotta push him really bloody hard now if he doesn’t get past Barrichello he’s a, he’s going nowhere, he’s got to get past Barrichello this lap.”

Flavio Briatore: Tell him, push.”

Engineer: “Nelson no excuses now you’ve got to get past Barrichello you’ve got four clicks straight line advantage come on you’ve got to push now you must get past him.

Pat Symonds: “Tell him to push really hard.”

[Pause].

Engineer: “This lap now for Nelson is 29 point 1 for mixer five.”

Pat Symonds: Thank you 29 – 1?”

Engineer: “29 – 1, yes.”

Pat Symonds: “Okay, new target’s 29 – 1.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Engineer: “Fuel level still at 38 kilos?”

Engineer: “It’s meant to be a little bit less I won’t [inaudible] but you can consider 37, 3 – 7.”

Engineer: “Okay 3 – 7 it is, 3 – 7.”

Pat Symonds: “Any clues yet [Engineer]?”

Engineer: “No.”

Engineer: “To me it looks like it didn’t recognise the the session as the race of the laptimes are going through somewhere but it doesn’t appear there.”

Pat Symonds: “No, you’ve got a heartbeat I take it?”

Engineer: “No.”

Multiple voices: “Nelson’s off. F***ing hell. Nelson’s had a crash I would say that would be a red flag its huge [all speaking at the same time].”

Nelson Piquet Jnr: “Sorry guys. I had a little outing.”

Engineer: “Is he alright? Is he alright.”

Pat Symonds: “Ask him if he’s alright.”

Engineer: “Are you okay? Are you okay?”

Engineer: “Fernando’s just gone past it.”

Engineer: “Okay yellow flag.”

Nelson Piquet Jnr: “Yeah I hit my head in the back. I think I’m okay.”

Engineer: “Okay understood.”

Pat Symonds: “Right [inaudible] stop him.”

Engineer: “Safety car, safety car, safety car, safety car, Fernando safety car mixture three.”

Pat Symonds: “Tell him be careful, be careful, turn 17 I think it is.”

Engineer: “Mixture three, mixture three.”

Engineer: “Pat he went through it just after him.”

Pat Symonds: “Okay thank you.”

Engineer: “P zero, P zero.”

Engineer: “Engineer], he just follows it yeah?”

Engineer: “He follows it unless he gets a green light.”

Fernando Alonso: “I overtake the safety car or no?”

Engineer: “You follow it Fernando follow it unless you get a green light, follow the safety car unless you get a green light.”

Engineer: “F***ing hell that was a big shunt.”

Flavio Briatore: “F***ing hell… my every f***ing disgrace, f***ing, he’s not a driver.”

Engineer: “So Fernando just to be clear mixture three and you follow it unless you get a green light.”

Engineer: “Yeah he’s on mixture three and [inaudible] three.”

Fernando Alonso: “Okay.”

Pat Symonds: “What position is Fernando in?”

Engineer: “Well we were twenty, and we’re first guy to pick the safety car up.”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah we’re not.”

Engineer: “He will get away past it but he’s got to wait.”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah.”

Engineer: “[Engineer] the car is burning. I don’t know, uh, [Engineer].”

Engineer: “Someone dealing I’ve got [inaudible] from the film or the race status it’s all, it’s all dead. Do you have any clue?”

Engineer: “I’m working with [Engineer] on it now.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Engineer: “Not at the moment.”

Engineer: “Okay Williams are refuelling.”

Fernando Alonso: “Pit lane is closed isn’t it?”

Engineer: “Yes, yes it is.”

Engineer: “Yes, yes pit lane is closed.”

Engineer: “6.8 Williams and a penalty. Rosberg.”

Engineer: “Did those guys ever get in before the safety car came in?”

Pat Symonds: “Yes I think so, yeah.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Engineer: “Yes I think both Red Bulls didn’t they?”

Fernando Alonso: “Is the pit lane closed?”

Engineer: “Yes, yes.”

Pat Symonds: “The pit lane is closed.”

Engineer: “Yes, the pit lane is closed Fernando, the pit lane is closed.”

Fernando Alonso: “Rosberg he pit now hasn’t he?”

Pat Symonds: “Yes he’ll get a penalty.”

Engineer: “Yes Rosberg pitted, he will get a penalty there were guys that pitted before it came out we believe, think the Red Bulls.”

Engineer: “And probably Barrichello.”

Fernando Alonso: “I have the green flag, I will overtake.”

Engineer: “Okay Fernando.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Flavio Briatore: “What position we are now in the all this?”

Pat Symonds: “To be honest, I don’t know Flavio. It’s got to have been good for Fernando but I honestly don’t know where he is.

Engineer: “It’s good for changing his tyres.”

Pat Symonds: “There’s a Honda stop.”

Engineer: “Probably run out of fuel.”

Flavio Briatore: There could [inaudible] fuel.”

Engineer: “Looks like Barrichello run out, [Engineer]?”

Pat Symonds: “Yeah he may well have run out, he’d have been long though wouldn’t he?”

Engineer: “Nah, he’d have been heavy.”

Engineer: “Is Fernando doing a reasonable pace he needs to sort of get on with it catch the safety car up again really.”

Engineer: “He’s going reasonably.”

Engineer: “Okay.”

Engineer: “It’s reasonable Steve it’s not fantastic.”

Engineer: “Alright.”

Engineer: “What do you want to do guys?”

Engineer: “Whatever’s reasonable.”

Engineer: “We want to keep it out don’t we, we want to keep the safety car out don’t we?”

Engineer: “Yeah yeah but it won’t make any difference though.”

Engineer: “Okay I just thought it might put more penalties or is it open, the pit lane.”

Engineer: “No, they’ll open the pit lane.”

Engineer: “Okay, I don’t think they will.”

Engineer: “But we don’t need to be seen to be delaying it.”

Engineer: “No, no exactly.”

Engineer: “He’s going, he was going at a reasonable pace.”

Pat Symonds: “Barrichello, Barrichello did refuel. Who knows.”

Engineer: “Did Coulthard and Webber refuel?”

Pat Symonds: “I think they both got in before the pit lane closed, we think.

Engineer: “Do we know where they were going to?”

Pat Symonds: “No.”

Engineer: “Honda were affected by this, this interference and he stopped on the bridge.”

Pat Symonds: “[Engineer] or [Engineer]. [Engineer] or [Engineer]. Any info on Red Bull refuel please?”

Engineer: “Pit lane’s still closed yep.”

Engineer: “Negative I was waiting for Toyota [inaudible].”

Engineer: “No I didn’t see them come in.”

Engineer: “That’ll be a BMW and Ferrari coming in now I think.”

Pat Symonds: “BMW and a Ferrari.”

Engineer: “BMW has a penalty.”

[inaudible]

Engineer: “Kubica.”

Engineer: “7.85.”

Engineer: “Kubica’s has just refuelled. The pit lane was closed. They’ll get a penalty.”

Engineer: “Kubica 7.7.”

Engineer: “Where is Nelson? Have you seen him?”

Flavio Briatore: “Is he okay Nelson? Is he okay?”

Engineer: “I dunno, yeah have you seen him?”

Fernando Alonso: “The pit lane is still closed until we arrive?”

Engineer: “He climbed out mate and ran across the track.”

Engineer: “Yeah, pit lane is still closed.”

Pat Symonds: [Engineer], [Engineer] can you monitor channel, TV channel three and let me know as soon as the pit lane opens.”

Fernando Alonso: “[inaudible].”

Engineer: “Okay understood Fernando.”

Engineer: “We’re, our pace at the moment is only 6 seconds off a flying lap.”

Engineer: “Okay, got it.”

Fernando Alonso: “I nearly repeat the time [inaudible].”

Engineer: “I nearly repeat the time with the fuel.”

Engineer: “He means first time laps.”

Engineer: “Okay understood Fernando.”

Pat Symonds [inaudible] just run over a marshall.”

Engineer: “Okay so we are P16.”

Pat Symonds” “Has Gabby gone to look for Nelson?”

Engineer: “Yes.”

Pat Symonds: “OK. I mean I’m sure he’s alright, he ran across the track alright.
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Messagede poop » Mer 16 Sep 2009 20:50

Il y a vraiment eu beaucouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup de fuite à la FIA pour cette affaire, cette pute de MM a eu ce qu'il voulait, la tête à Flavio et il y a mis la manière en pourrissant Renault avec des fuites en abondance.
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Messagede Aceveda » Mer 16 Sep 2009 20:55

Faut voir le bon côté des choses.

Ça va être un renouveau pour RF1, s'ils ont le droit de rester. Absolument tout va changer dans cette vieille machine rouillée !
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Messagede poop » Mer 16 Sep 2009 20:56

Ca va être la cata tu veux dire, des amateurs pour remplacer de vieux éléphants....
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Messagede Aceveda » Mer 16 Sep 2009 20:58

Evidemment c'est plus compliqué qu'on ne le croit. Mais ça sera pas forcément des amateurs à la place, personne n'est irremplaçable.

Je pense que ça ne pouvait pas être pire que cette saison de toutes façons. Faut voir comment ça va s'articuler quand tout sera remis en route avec du sang neuf.

Et je prie secrètement pour qu'ING se casse :mrgreen:
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Messagede poop » Mer 16 Sep 2009 21:00

Mais ING se casse...
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Messagede Aceveda » Mer 16 Sep 2009 21:05

Ah c'est officiel ? T'as vu ça où ?

Cool en espérant que le nouveau sponsor ne soit pas Toblerone :mrgreen:
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Messagede poop » Mer 16 Sep 2009 21:08

Ça fait quelque temps que ça a été annoncé...
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Messagede HAD RF1 » Mer 16 Sep 2009 21:39

Oui ils l'ont annoncé fin 2008 ou début 2009.

poop a écrit:Il y a vraiment eu beaucouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup de fuite à la FIA pour cette affaire, cette pute de MM a eu ce qu'il voulait, la tête à Flavio et il y a mis la manière en pourrissant Renault avec des fuites en abondance.


C'est clair, et dire que dans le paddock de Monza il faisait semblant de s'offusquer de ces fuites :roll:

Edit : il semblerait qu'on ait retrouvé l'ordi dont a été posté les différentes fuites (-)

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Messagede Aceveda » Mer 16 Sep 2009 23:45

Edit : il semblerait qu'on ait retrouvé l'ordi dont a été posté les différentes fuites (-)

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Messagede Drool1 » Jeu 17 Sep 2009 09:21

ING qui se barre c bien, mais faut le remplacer, Flavio etait sur ce dossier depuis un long moment, j'espere qu'il a deja conclu, c'est ce que j'avais entendu, sinon on risque de pas avoir de sponsor...
Si on perd les points, plus pas de sponsor, plus une amende, le prix risque d'etre trop elevé pour Renault.

Ensuite, le depart de Flavio et Symonds m'attriste, Flavio est un bon manager mais je pense qu'il est remplacable, le cas Symonds est a mon avis bien plus grave techniquement, Renault bosse a fond sur la R30, j'espere qu'il y a eu du transfert de competence et de la reversibilité sur le projet R30 et tout le reste, mais ca impliquerais que Flavio et Symonds aient eu le temps de faire ca avec leur sucesseur, chose que je pense n'a pas ete faite.

Voila, tous les ans on se fait niquer:

- 2007 les pneus
- 2008 le retard de 2007 + le moteur
- 2009 le kers et le double deck
- 2010 le "decapitage" du management qui met en peril la voiture?

Ptin j'espere que ca sera pas le cas, et que les gars vont pousser fort et se serrer les coudes! Il nous faut tres vite un capitaine a bord, je pense que tout ca sera annoncé apres le 21 de toute facon.
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Messagede quidam » Jeu 17 Sep 2009 10:15

Cela fait un bon bout de temps que RF1 piétine et je pense qu'un grand coup de balai et du sang neuf, on peut trouver une bonne direction. On ne reconstruit pas RF1 avec les mêmes personnes, on ne fait pas du neuf avec du vieux.

Renault ne vendra pas son écurie cette année car avec cette histoire elle ne vaut pas un clou. Obligé de continuer au moins un an pour un nouveau visage, avec des succès si possible. Licencier 500 personnes, je ne pense pas que cela soit envisageable.

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Messagede Drool1 » Jeu 17 Sep 2009 10:46

C vrai que licensier 500 personnes, et partir sur une mauvaise image je pense pas que sa soit le mieu...

Faut rester, j'espere que Ghosn fera le bon choix, un nouveau sponsor deja ca donne une nouvelle image, avec un nouveau manager (bon Prost c vrai que c bien pour l'image mais pour les competences j'ai un doute), et puis on a Grosjean ont peu communiquer avec lui aupres des francais.

Bref, on peut remonter la pente, l'image ca change vite je m'inquiete pas pour ca, le mieu pour tout c de faire une voiture competitive, et tout ira bien.

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Messagede Kobayashi » Jeu 17 Sep 2009 10:59

Avec le nombre d'écurie qui va arriver je doute que Renault parte au risque de perdre la possibilitée de vendre quelques Blocs moteur ;)

Pour la Comme avec Grosjean, j'y crois moyen car pour les personnes qui suivent la F1 en Générale (pas pour les Fans Renault Hein) il est plutot Suisse, donc bon... Ce que j'aimerais voir pour Renault en 2010.

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Peugeot arrive bien a gagner avec des Francais, pourquoi pas Renault. Briatore qui a collé une salle étiquette à Montagny et Bourdais, ces derniers serait peut etre bien revenchard à l'idée d'évoluer pour le seul constructeur "Francais".

Alonso ca ne fait pas un plis pour moi il est deja chez Ferrari, ce qui coince c'est de savoir qui Ferrari va laisser Partir (Massa pourra t-il Recourir? si Oui exit Raiko. Si non il remplacera Massa).
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Messagede franki ki » Jeu 17 Sep 2009 11:57

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Lauda : "La FIA doit punir Renault sévèrement"

Le triple champion du monde Niki Lauda estime que dans l’affaire du Grand Prix de Singapour 2008, la FIA va devoir infliger de lourdes sanctions à l’encontre de l’écurie Renault.

Flavio Briatore et Pat Symonds ayant quitté leurs fonctions hier, la marque au losange devrait être représentée par un avocat lors de l’audition devant le Conseil Mondial, qui se tiendra lundi prochain à Paris.

Devant les membres du conseil, l’avocat de Renault devrait demander la clémence en insistant sur le fait que seul un groupe restreint de personnes au sein de l’écurie était au courant de l’affaire.

Cependant, Lauda pense que cette affaire est à la fois plus sérieuse que celle de Michael Schumacher qui a délibérément arrêté sa 248-F1 dans les rues de Monaco et l’affaire d’espionnage opposant McLaren et Ferrari en 2007.

Par conséquent, l’Autrichien considère que la Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile va devoir se montrer sévère avec Renault et lui infliger de lourdes sanctions.

"Lorsque j’ai pour la première fois entendu parler des accusations qui affirmaient que Renault avait demandé à Nelson Piquet de se ’crasher’ délibérément, la question était de savoir si c’était vrai ou faux."

"S’il se trouvait que c’était vrai, ça reviendrait à être la pire chose qui ne soit arrivée en Formule 1," confie-t-il au Daily Mail.

"Il n’y a qu’un autre incident qui s’en rapproche : Michael Schumacher qui gare sa Ferrari sur la trajectoire à Monaco en 2006 pour bloquer Fernando Alonso dans son dernier tour de qualification. Mais vraiment, même ça ce n’est pas comparable."

"Oui, l’affaire d’espionnage avec McLaren il y a deux ans était extrêmement sérieuse mais les mécaniciens ne discutaient que des données techniques entre eux."

"Cependant, ceci est nouveau. Les plus gros dégâts jamais vus. Maintenant, la FIA doit lourdement punir Renault pour restaurer la crédibilité dans ce sport," explique Lauda.


L’ancien pilote de Formule 1 s’est également montré très déçu par la position et les réactions de Briatore : "Ce qui m’a également vraiment bouleversé, c’est ce que qu’a dit Flavio Briatore ce week-end. Il a tout nié."

"Ses messages étaient troublants, il a même fait des commentaires sur la vie privée de Piquet. C’était incroyable. Et maintenant que Briatore a été mis à la porte, nous devons assumer que les allégations faites contre Renault soient toutes vraies.
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Re: Enquête GP de Singapour 2008 - Renault convoqué le 21 sept.

Messagede poop » Jeu 17 Sep 2009 11:59

Dans le genre similaire il y a Spa 98 avec Coulthard qui se colle juste devant MS pour qu'il lui rentre dedans.
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Messagede quidam » Jeu 17 Sep 2009 12:40

Encore quelques jours et on connaitra la vérité sur cette affaire :wink:
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